Irrefutable

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Yeh i'm listening to that old track now, and it's nice lyrically, and the flow is better on this but still to me it's too much spitting rushed and mumbling.

Right lets get this straight, we are NOT saying you are whack, we are NOT saying your shouldn't rap, we are giving you criticism that could help you get better and appeal to more people.

If you don't want to take the crit then don't. That's up to you, but nobody gets anywhere without taking criticism, you can't go through life just telling everyone who thinks you need to improve that they are wrong.

If i did that i'd still be as whack as i first was when i started music.

and then on top of that your(not you inparticular) trying to tell me what i know is largely the problem is not the problem

and now your both saying different things lmao oh no i couldnt hear fuck all mumbling in that track oh yeah i heard lots of mumbling

Of course we are telling you two different things, we are different people.. haven't you got that yet?

Man you need to chill the fuck out, it was CRITICISM, i didn't just tell you that you're family had been nuked.

exactly and if they where real problems you would both be saying the samething... and the only thing youve been saying the same is theyre a little bit rushed which really isnt all that big a problem ... like i said if my verses are rushed what is a bizzy bone verse

LOL it is a big problem if you cant understand it. Theres a difference between rushed, forced and mumbling and spitting in doubletime (Bizzy Bone and Twista, Etc), they spit constantly fast, you speed up and mumble a couple of bars which throws the flow off, and where its forced, makes it hard to understand.

Mic's arent an issue to this, you could have the best mic in the world, if you mumble, you mumble. If you have to shout to record then turn the mic input up? Obviously the better the mic the better the recording, but a better mic isnt going to fix your flow.

Some of your lyrics are forced and rushed, accept it, improve and move forward, or, do what your doing, blame the problem elsewear, dont take in the feedback, and never improve, really the choice is yours, we couldnt give a fuck if you stay at the same level for life, but dont ask for feedback, then when its not what you want to hear deny it, thats a dickhead ting.

If your verses are rushed, don't you think you should take your time on them, and take some words out so people can actually hear what you are saying 100% of the time.

Ill Bill, Celph Titled, Eminem, Canibus, Matt Maddox, Even 'jedi mind tricks' as you said your verse was like. You can hear 100% of the words 100% of the time, if people don't know what your saying, then how they gonna listen to you?

A) i never asked for feedback i was asked to join by someone on facebook to do them a favor
B)the mic input is as loud as it goes
C)actually my old mic had better sensitivity then my new mic...when your not yelling at something its much easier to flow duhhh
D)your the only person who ever complained about not understanding so maybe you need to listen a little harder cause you obviously just missed what i said about things being a little rushed

when have you ever turned on a mad lyrical song for the first time ever and heard all the words clearly the first time round P.s also on that thought if your statement was correct i wouldnt see misquoted lines and fights about lyrics every time im on youtube listening to tracks

why join and post your music if it was just a favour - surely you knew what this site was for? - and why by a new mic thats worse than your old one? stupidness - and if he's the only person who ever complained you must not know a lot of people - stop your bitching fag

standard ill say it your whack - there

are you retarded... you buy a mic not knowing if its better or worse... what am i gonna open it in the shop and stick it in the computer the have behind the counter???... that song has over 300-500 hundred hits not one compliant...

"WOW...a lost for words immortal technique style flow..very lyrical and ear grabbing...I like # 87"

"WITHOUT A DOUBT THIS IS FRONT PAGE WORTHY,BLAZING LYRICS AND THE BEAT IS ON POINT.MATTEB SNAPPED HARD ON THIS.JKRAZY FIERCE FAMO77"

"#62 Love your perspective on things Mattb, always some real content to listen for, Diggin this beat like no other.. your touching some crazy points n subjects here, I see you Jkraz!!"#

"Real grimy shit here. Def my style. Who's on da beat? Love them creepy, random, metalic sounds (if ya know what I mean). Def smokin on this shit!! #49 cough cough"

"#WOW!! YOU TWO WORK WELL TOGETHER ON A TRACK.. THIS IS ILLLLLLLL!!! LUVLY & INSPIRATIONAL"

^^^^ i have pages full of comments like that not complaints ...

"SICK SINCE-PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 7:29 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
ill shit you need to get at me , im always open for spitters in that class , holla"


"SON OF SATURN
6 May 2010 1:42 PM
ASYLUM IS FUCKING DOPE FAM! REALLY FEELING THE ARTWORK FOR YOUR NEW ALBUM TOO...
STAY SHINING BRIGHT MY BROTHER, THIS IS ONLY THE BEGINNING!
ETERNAL BLESSINGS, INFINITE RESPECT, PEACE EVERLASTING!
777"

P.s Ive worked with Son of Saturn(L.C.O.B Affiliate) , El A Kwents(of Planet X Records) , Snake Vs Crane (L.C.O.B Affiliate) , Prodical Son(from the K.O.T.D Battles) , Im meant to start a project with Amos The Ancient Prophet(L.C.O.B) soon which will drop on the L.C.O.B Label...I have been on numerous mixtapes not of my own next to people like Vega X & im getting put on a compilation C.D for awareness of the 7/7 bombing truth campaign next to the likes of Immortal Technique which will be dropped on the Righteous Anger Records label and be dispersed digitally and physically by whatever organizations in the U.K... if i was whack i couldnt have done any of that ... if people didnt understand my verses i couldnt have done any of that either and really thats the fact of it... my accomplishments over the year and a half ive started getting serious about recording speak for themselves

Irrefutable wrote:

are you retarded... you buy a mic not knowing if its better or worse... what am i gonna open it in the shop and stick it in the computer the have behind the counter???... that song has over 300-500 hundred hits not one compliant...

You but a mic reading the specs and what it provides for your current surroundings, you don't need to hear it to know if it's better or not.

The song has 300-500 hits, and you'd delete all the criticism you got so i'm not suprised it doesn't have a complaint.

Why do you feel needed to prove yourself and justify yourself to us on this forum, if you're as good as you believe yourself to be, us saying we didn't like something you wouldn't have tried to prove that you're that good to us. You would have just got on with it.
So what if this or that person is feeling you, not everyone is going to be a fan.
Likewise with anyone.

no specs just a giant glass case with heaps of mics and prices but i dont know anything about specs anyway i just picked the one i had enough money for... i assumed it was more expensive and not a stage mic so it would be better...it is in ways but not in others hahaha please where did i delete criticism nice accusation buddy ... you cant delete comments on dopetracks.com go check it yourself http://www.dopetracks.com/profile/matteb its got my complete progression from fucking around on the internet till now...but your right i dont need to defend myself...

I didn't say you DID actually delete criticism but going by your reaction to crit on here it wouldn't suprise me.
Yeah you don't need to defend yourself, if you think your dope then that's up to you, but when someone comes up to you from the music industry and says you need to improve, you just gonna tell them they are wrong too?
Fair enough, personally i take all crit in consideration and try to improve based on what people tell me.

if i was the type of person that deleted criticism this thread would already be gone... are you from the music industry? if someone from the music industry tells me to change i might consider it... but im not gonna change my style for every so and so who comes a long and says i dont like this... id rather perfect my style & what im already doing... and really im not all that concerned about the industry and getting signed... in a couple of years ill have my university degree and be doing whatever... i just have a goal to make a whole decent solo mixtape/C.D & perform a few shows as long as i do that ill be happy...

jheeze is this still goin on?
look end of,
u do music for you,
ppl dropped some criticism,
as i said before,
theres millions upon millions of people in this world,
ur never gona please em all.
we dropped criticism,
u didnt like it,
fair enough....
but this argument is becomin more dead then corpses in a cemetary,
just leave it,
we put in input,
u didnt like it,
u gave ur opinion.
we read it,
now talk about suttin else,
this is dated.
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Get me, real talk SK.

But Props Irrefutable, you worked with some nice dudes, so props on that.

why do people post shit up if they dont like the crit they recieve?

your lyrics are nice but the delivery is poor.

Bars are too stretched and your flow doesnt compensate for that. It seems like your rushing the bars to force more lyrics into each one. Your presence is okay, but maybe would be improved with better recording/mix

you said you wouldnt compromise lyrics for flow. Flow is what makes the lyrics work. Any writer can say along list of written lines over a beat but a rapper should be able to take those written lines and adapt them so that they flow with rhythm on a beat. A good writer shouldnt have to compromise lyrics for flow, you should be able to write dope lyrics that work with the flow you are using on that particular beat.

DONT WRITE DOPE LYRICS AND THEN TRY AND FLOW THEM. FIND A FLOW THEN WRITE THE DOPE LYRICS